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Post by ehmalo01 on Oct 21, 2008 14:21:41 GMT -10
But Karen, Election day is TWO weeks away. I could understand if it was next week...but... Is O giving that prime time speech on Monday? *sigh* I'll take Miami over Obama any day (No offense to any of you who might be supporting him...) em
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Post by ohiogranny on Oct 21, 2008 17:10:13 GMT -10
Senior Citizen has Dead Brain Attack! Thanks for setting me straight, em.
Karen (red face)
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Post by sanne on Oct 21, 2008 19:33:12 GMT -10
Thnx for the great review, Amy. It sounds like a very passionate and emotional epi. Too bad it will take quite some time before it's aired over here As for H and Julia.......maybe they can let them have a close friendship, so that H can keep an eye on her and also for Kyle's sake. As a partner.......I'm still not really convinced. Someone with bipolar disorder, even when on meds, needs a lot of "guidance" and H is not really in a position to always be there for Julia, simply because he doesn't have a "9-to-5"-job. Besides that....remember what has been said some time ago.....every woman H gets involved with, either has to run for her life......or die......... Sandra
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Post by sunshine68 on Oct 22, 2008 2:17:45 GMT -10
even then, would TPTB really be that cruel to Horatio? Although I feel it won't happen until the bitter end of CSI Miami, I really hope they let him ride off into the sunset with a good woman by his side. I am not completely convinced Julia is that lady and it has nothing to do with her disorder because there are people out there with this problem that do quite fine - I just don't trust the lady. She's got a thing for riches and a cop's salary won't cut it for her unless she really has an epiphany and decides to settle for the good man we all know Horatio is. He's the kind of guy to travel to the ends of the earth to make things work, so I can certainly see him giving her another chance. He's yearned since day 1 for a family of his own and he's been on a roller coaster ride of ups and downs - he deserves a good lift right now. I truly hope that he and Julia will just establish a good friendship but I do recall seeing a promo on TV just before S6 was going to resume after the writer's strike and it showed Horatio and Julia having a candlelight dinner together... wonder if we will see this in S7.
For those of you who won't see S7, have you tried accessing CBS.com for the online versions of the shows? Fancast.net also shows them for free.
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Post by ehmalo01 on Oct 22, 2008 3:09:27 GMT -10
Sunny--CBS.com won't allow non-US fans to view the episodes. I'm not sure about fancast, though... I DO know that youtube has all of the episodes from season seven so far. I'm not sure if the latest epi has been posted, but 1-4 are up. Lu's been watching them... em
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Post by sunshine68 on Oct 22, 2008 3:37:37 GMT -10
bummer about CBS.com... that's cool about YouTube - at least there's an option... I don't know what the deal is with Fancast either but thought it worth posting for folks to try...
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Post by gonsy on Oct 22, 2008 11:01:54 GMT -10
Hey thanks everybody! Your comments about the epi had been very interesting!! I want to give my two cents: - One of the women that more has hurt him (in his feelings, not trusting him, having a relationship with Rick, and so on.... ) is Yelina. -The scenes with more chemistry between Horatio and a woman (holding hands, confident, kissing...)had been with two "bad ladies": Rebecca and Julia. But you know..... I'm a Ducainer.... ;D Gonsy
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Post by lucymalta on Oct 22, 2008 11:13:01 GMT -10
OMG...... I've just seen this.... That last section between H and Julia!! NOW I want to know exactly what their history is. There is no way it was just something casual and seeing this makes me even more sure that though he did love Marisol in his way - he was more concerned with making her happy than with his own feelings... With Julia there is something much much deeper..... As for the rest of the epi - and the other four (that I watched yesterday ) The season seems to be getting stronger with each week.... I love the interaction between H and Kyle - he certainly is his father's son and there is some great chemistry there.. Ryan seems to be growing up a little more - and Eric settling down.... Calleigh... getting more and more serious and I love the new ME... I miss Alexx - but this girl has a lot to offer.... and I like her little quirks... Now I just have to catch up on S6 epi's 14 onwards..... Lucy
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Post by sunshine68 on Oct 22, 2008 11:51:57 GMT -10
Gonsy, everyone needs to remember that H never made a move on Yelina... and she had no idea Rick was that big a jerk... she treated him no differently than any other guy. If H got off his shy behind and asked her sooner - just as she pointed out - he might have had something with her. She's never done anything to hurt him. She didn't trust him and stated so because Horatio lied about his involvement with Susie and made Yelina think Madison was his - and that's not a far stretch considering that Maddie certainly could pass for H's daughter. I'm not quite sure why you wouldn't think Yelina a great tough lady (heck, she decked Stetler for trying to hit her again). Yelina's all tough lady too - she's had to be considering the breaks she'd been dealt. Horatio has a terribly shyness about him too - and considering his own past - it's probably very hard for him to open up his feelings to anyone out of fear of getting hurt or being scolded (typical signs of being abused).
Not to start an argument, and to each his own, but don't downplay Yelina - she's a great lady - a single mom having to do it all for her son without a man around even though Horatio probably has been more of a father to Ray Junior than Ray Senior ever could take credit for.
As for Julia - nobody knows her true history - as many have determined, Horatio is indeed drawn to wounded hearts because he himself is one. Yes, he was with Rebecca but it certainly didn't last long. He needs a lady that is balanced - one who can embrace his shy side and gently draw him out - he too needs to feel safe. But, the typical male in him needs a lady that isn't so independent that she will allow him to be her protector. Julia might have been that way when they were together - she might be very different now. I know people make mistakes and can change, but the jury is still out on her as far as I am concerned. I don't trust her - part of me thinks she's going to take him for such an emotional ride because he loves to swoop in and try to save people. Part of me thinks Jules will take advantage of that somehow. I hope I'm wrong because this poor guy doesn't need it again.
I personally don't see H with Calleigh... I see tons of respect for him as her mentor but not anything more... I see lots of teasing but that's typical behavior in any workplace I've been in (and nothing more was meant of it other than just joking around - and I've been in with crews where folks got pretty raunchy).
OK I'll shut up now...
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Post by dina on Oct 22, 2008 12:16:31 GMT -10
I thought the ending was rather sweet...with him putting the shawl on her shoulder and that peck Like the fact that Eric was there for H helping him through with that car and finding the evidence that he was looking for...This season is shaping pretty nicely
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Post by csimiamibabe on Oct 26, 2008 14:36:15 GMT -10
I'll try to keep my comments brief since everyone else has such long posts. I think the episode was hands down, an Emmy-worthy episode for David, and possibly Elizabeth. As someone who has bipolar disorder and is living a healthy, normal life on medication, I know what it's like not to be on medication and what your life is like. I'm 28 and was diagnosed only two years ago with the disorder after I had a near nervous breakdown.
A lot of TV shows have tried to do storylines with Bipolar disorder, and many of them have done deplorable jobs (ER, for one.) There have also been great depictions of the disorder, (General Hospital, where the actor who was playing the character with Bipolar is Bipolar himself), L&O SVU, and now CSI:Miami.
I really hope they continue to follow this story, not necessarily as a romantic story between Horatio and Julia, because in all honesty, I don't think that would be healthy for either of them. But it was clear to me that when they were together years ago, he had to help her deal with and manage her disorder, so he is someone she can lean on with the confidence and knowledge that he won't hurt her.
I won't go into a lot of details of my personal life, but suffice it to say, my family doesn't believe in mental illness, and therefore don't believe that I am Bipolar. I probably wouldn't have even gone to the doctor the first time if it weren't for some dear friends. As I said, I am living a normal, healthy life on my medications. Rather than having to have someone to take care of me, I am the family caretaker so to speak, as I live with and care for my grandparents.
Not every person with Bipolar is the same. Some have more severe cases of the disorder than others. Julia seems to be one of the more severe cases. There was a line that caught my ear when she was talking to Horatio and he asked if she was on her meds and she said that Ron made her go off of them, that he told her she wasn't normal on them. From that, it sounds to me like Ron convinced her to go off the meds so that he could get her to do whatever he wanted because he could more easily play into her insecurities about Horatio and his role in Kyle's life.
Yes, Julia has done some illegal and immoral things since she came on the show, but I think we'll find that most, if not all of them were done AFTER Ron convinced her to go off her meds, which means she quite possibly believed that she was doing the right thing for herself and her family. I would say that if they decide to pursue legal action against her for her actions, that rather than have her go off to prison, they put her into an inpatient psychiatric facility, which she apparently needs so that she can learn to effectively manage her condition.
That's my take. So much for being brief! LOL
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Post by ohiogranny on Oct 26, 2008 17:07:07 GMT -10
Thank you, csimiamibabe, for sharing this. It must have been a difficult thing to do. My mother was bipolar and I recall growing up in a house where we never quite knew how our day was going to go until we gauged Mom's mood --- not that it would stay consistent all day for her mood swings could happen in a split second. Often we three children felt like we were walking on eggshells. The world revolved around her and her needs and we all towed the line. But that is behind us now and I hope that your medications serve you well (Mom was allergic to the medications that would help her most). Living with your grandparents can't be all easy, but it should be good for them to have someone young and energetic around, and it should give you some measure of comfort that your grandparents welcomed you into their home. I hope it is a win/win situation.
Thank you for reminding us of some of Julia's background story. I, for one, had not retained all of that and I think you are 'spot-on' with your assessments. I still think Horatio is attracted to those who are flawed or fallen. She may not be right for him but he will help her simply because she is Kyle's mother and he does seem to care for her. It might be nice to see a united family for once on this show. So far I am keeping an open mind on this relationship. That's more than I did for Marisol. I thought that was the most platonic romance I ever saw on TV even if there were a few really good moments of anguish at the end. As in all things --- time will tell.
Karen
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